Christ was the full embodiment of the Law. 

When we have Christ within us we will also have the Law written in our hearts to Love God with all our hearts and love our neighbor.  It is a law of love and that is why it could not be changed.  But, now, we keep it imperfectly but if we strive by faith and do all that we can to put bad habits out of our lifestyle then

God will place tests of faith in our path.  If we prove faithful on the little things, He will give us more and more and soon HE will purge the selfishness in our hearts and replace it with His Holy Spirit.  Then, the Love of Jesus will flow out of our hearts, we will have the faith of Jesus, and will be victorious over sin and keep the Law of Love as Jesus kept it... 

I cannot wait to see this mystery of the gospel and the law fulfilled in fallen human beings.   8)

From AD 31 up until 1844 it was all about Jesus. 

Then the breach was discovered and it was about the Law. 

Then in 1888 it was about Jesus again... 

.......because it seems man's degenerated brain  cannot handle two concepts in their brains at once. 

It is all about Jesus and it is about the Father's Law of Love... it is about both but only Jesus will save you but as a natural result of being recreated in the image of Jesus you will over come sin and keep the Law in Perfection of Jesus.  Jesus is the light, the way, and the atonement and the propitiation that by Him we can overcome and be perfect in Love.

Amen sister.   

thanks Beth, I'm glad we can agree on something so important as this 

 Why did God have to send an 1888 message?     i fond this link                   http://www.1888mpm.org/             
 Donja     plise let me know if this is a good link

That's a good link forgivenall. first time I have seen a site that brings it together like that. Thanks.

One of the reasons why I raised this question about 1888 was to make the point that prior to 1888 the SDA church was WRONG in their concepts and beliefs about how our salvation is effected. (Since they rejected the 1888 message it follows that they continued to be wrong about it after 1888 too.)
Its easy to use the words "righteousness by faith" and to say I accept that message, but its a much different story when you get down to the core of what you actually believe. When we understand the fundamental idea of righteousness by faith we will see that we can no longer accept the ideas taught by the church about the investigative judgment.
If salvation is by faith and condemnation is only by personal unbelief, there can never be a judgment that examines our works to find out whether or not we are good enough to be saved.

I believe it is necessary to clear our minds of the cloudy concepts that lead men to try to work their way into heaven. Only then can we receive the wonderful purity of the Gospel which is Salvation ONLY through FAITH in Christ.

God bless,
Don

By your doctrine, the fact that Christ is going to render to every man according as his works shall be at his 2nd coming makes him an evil tyrant.  So when will the judgment take place Don?

ST

I'm not quite sure what I may have said that makes you say I believe God rendering to every man according to his works makes him an evil tyrant ST, so I will pass that.  However, as to "when will the judgment take place", I believe most of us here agree that there will be a pre-advent judgment (or phase of the judgment if you prefer) and there is also a post millennial (phase of the) judgment.

I freely acknowledge this fact. However, if you read my posts carefully you will see that I am not questioning whether or not there is a judgment.  I merely seek to clarify what happens (and does not happen) in the judgment and by that, to illuminate the wonderful Grace that God has extended to us by saving us through the gift of His Son.

In plain words. If my salvation depends on the merits of my works then I am hopelessly lost and so is the entire human race, because no matter how many good works we may produce, they can never cancel the fact that we are sinners. for example, if a man murders someone today, then for the next 70 years he does only good deeds, will that cancel his murder?

I don't have to quote the scriptures that point out how pointless it is for us to seek merits with God (in the judgment) by piling up good deeds. They are all as filthy rags, so how can they be used to determine my fate?

That is not what the pre-advent judgment is about ST, it is about a far greater issue than determining the fates of you and me. But I guess that's for another discussion, or another time.

God bless,
Don

my understanding Don is that it will be those good works that you do in cooperation with Jesus dwelling within you by His Spirit

An addition to reply #23
There must be true & sincere confession & repentance of all sin, & a recognition & understanding of what we are, sinners.
Moses must have done this after he killed the Egyptian for God to use him as he did.

Ron

amen 

It may be a little more accurate to say "the good works that are produced as a result of Jesus dwelling within you" eh rahab?
However, I still insist that god does not care too much about looking at the works. He is far more interested in the "Jesus dwelling within you" part and He does not need to examine the works to find that out. In fact, since Jesus is the judge and He should already know those in whom He is dwelling, why would He need to look at their works again to find out if they belong to Him?

James 11 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:
10 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.
11 For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.
12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Yes, I agree.... not unto salvation... but part of the judgment.  At this point, just getting there is the focus and having the FULL indwelling of Christ is the desire of the heart.

AMEN AMEN AMEN          there can never be a judgment that examines our works to find out whether or not we are good enough to be saved.    


Romans 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

  Hebrews 9    14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Romans 5
1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

5 And hope maketh not ashamed;........ because... the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts........ by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the..... ungodly.

7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that,........ while we were yet sinners,.... Christ died for us.
9.... Much more.......... then, being..... now justified by his blood,.............. we shall be saved from... wrath.... through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies,.. we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,................ much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved... by his life.

11 And not only so,....... but we also ...joy in God... through our Lord Jesus Christ,...... by whom we have now.... received.......... the atonement.

Titus 3=3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.